My daughter told me immediately “New car is AWESOME!”
She has more room to stretch out. She doesn't have to roll down her window with her feet. We did have to have a discussion about rolling the window up and down. And how mommy has a MASTER BUTTON to stop all movement of the window.
She rearranged her booster seats in her dad’s car and mine. Apparently the RAV4 was to have the green one and the Prius v needed the hot pink one.
We do have some issues about her clicking her seat belt in herself. The clicker vanishes between the seats. I found a forum post that recommended putting a pool noodle in as a wedge. It helps.
After one week My 4 year old did ask a very insightful question.
4YO: Mom, do you miss your Old car?
Me: Do you?
4YO: I asked you first.
I told her I did.
But not the Corolla necessarily.
It is all the memories... I graduated college, lived in Northern California, moved back to Southern California, got jobs, lost jobs, got married, bought a place, was pregnant, had a baby, had a toddler, cried, laughed … LIFE… all in my first car.
Having anything for 17 years is a long time.
So yes, we miss the Corolla, but new Prius v is awesome and we will get to make new life memories in it now.
Wednesday, September 23, 2015
Monday, September 21, 2015
Anything Different?
I don't think I could have done anything different in this process. I needed to see it through as is.
Now that I have completed it once, will I do it again? Most likely, but limit the dealers to Mr. Bragg's 5-6 that he recommends.
The hardest part is calling and dealing with people that it is THEIR DAILY JOB to hard sell. Preparing yourself and knowing your mind is your best defense. I suggest everyone to write it down.
Your past self is smarter than you think.
Your past self was making decisions with no stress, no lights, no staring, no excitement to sway a decision… trust your past self.
When a dealer asked:
Want a different Car? … no. Past self wrote down Prius v.
What about a different Trim? … no. Past self wrote down Three.
How about Blizzard Pearl? … no. Past self wrote no white.
Do you know what Manufacturer rebates there are? … yes! Past self did the research, but tell me anyway so I can see if your answers are good.
My new car sticker price was $29,179.00, which excludes taxes, GAP Insurance, etc.
When I talked to Costco Auto Program dealer in March, they offered me $28,679 out-the-door. I know this depended on the Manufacturer offers and add ons at the time.
In July, my FINAL out the door price with everything included was $27,322.20 .
Was the $1,357 worth the calling and all that came with it?
Me? YES! To me, this was an adventure.
I would have done all the research and spreadsheets if I called or not. The only additional process I did was calling more dealers than what a sane person should.
Now that I have completed it once, will I do it again? Most likely, but limit the dealers to Mr. Bragg's 5-6 that he recommends.
The hardest part is calling and dealing with people that it is THEIR DAILY JOB to hard sell. Preparing yourself and knowing your mind is your best defense. I suggest everyone to write it down.
Your past self is smarter than you think.
Your past self was making decisions with no stress, no lights, no staring, no excitement to sway a decision… trust your past self.
When a dealer asked:
Want a different Car? … no. Past self wrote down Prius v.
What about a different Trim? … no. Past self wrote down Three.
How about Blizzard Pearl? … no. Past self wrote no white.
Do you know what Manufacturer rebates there are? … yes! Past self did the research, but tell me anyway so I can see if your answers are good.
My new car sticker price was $29,179.00, which excludes taxes, GAP Insurance, etc.
When I talked to Costco Auto Program dealer in March, they offered me $28,679 out-the-door. I know this depended on the Manufacturer offers and add ons at the time.
In July, my FINAL out the door price with everything included was $27,322.20 .
Was the $1,357 worth the calling and all that came with it?
Me? YES! To me, this was an adventure.
I would have done all the research and spreadsheets if I called or not. The only additional process I did was calling more dealers than what a sane person should.
Friday, September 18, 2015
At the Dealer
In ALL if this planning I forgot to ask the Dealer what information I needed to bring with me. So I actually needed to send Husband back home to get our current insurance card that was sitting on the desk.
Needed:
I also recommend bring something to do. Something that you can start and stop.
I saw a lot of people playing with their phones. I would not recommend Hearthstone since at any moment you would have to deal with questions and paperwork. I chose to bring my daughter’s school calendar to update my paper calendar and our family Google calendar. All done through December!
All the prep work was worth it. Here is where it came in handy.
First, after finishing the Financial paperwork, they didn't want to approve me for my income since it was low. That is ok. I had the CU check.
I told them I should get $500 off since I would get $1500 rebate instead of the $1000. Salesman went back to talk to the GM.
Surprise! They can qualify me for the 0% if I use Household income. Sure.
Next off to the Financial office.
I sat down and pulled out a much loved and used blank Yellow Pad. Then placed my phone with my open spreadsheet next to the pad.
FO: Which finance deal were we doing?
Me: I don't car care there was only a $39 dollar difference.
FO: How you get that?
On my Yellow pad, I wrote out my 2 offers I currently had. Repeating exactly what was on my Sheet 1: Interest Calc.
I circled the GAP insurance in the 0% column and told him that is where I can see the only difference.
I was smiling and laughing this whole time. Giddy is a good descriptive word. This was the fun part for me. With all the leg work done I would go in knowing I was good even with the CU deal.
He gave me his lowest price for GAP, $349, taking the number sold in his numbers and not necessarily the value.
Me: You meant $345. right?
FO: No, $349. That is the lowest.
Me: Works for me.
He went over all the up sales. Which I had looked into and said decided were not for me. When we were walking out...
Me: How many people come in with spreadsheets?
FO: No one.
In total 2 ½ hours I drove home in my new car.
WAY TO LONG DEALERS. It was only not a waste of my time, because I brought SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
Needed:
- Drivers License
- Proof of Insurance.
- All the information to fill out Credit Application.
I also recommend bring something to do. Something that you can start and stop.
I saw a lot of people playing with their phones. I would not recommend Hearthstone since at any moment you would have to deal with questions and paperwork. I chose to bring my daughter’s school calendar to update my paper calendar and our family Google calendar. All done through December!
All the prep work was worth it. Here is where it came in handy.
First, after finishing the Financial paperwork, they didn't want to approve me for my income since it was low. That is ok. I had the CU check.
I told them I should get $500 off since I would get $1500 rebate instead of the $1000. Salesman went back to talk to the GM.
Surprise! They can qualify me for the 0% if I use Household income. Sure.
Next off to the Financial office.
I sat down and pulled out a much loved and used blank Yellow Pad. Then placed my phone with my open spreadsheet next to the pad.
FO: Which finance deal were we doing?
Me: I don't car care there was only a $39 dollar difference.
FO: How you get that?
On my Yellow pad, I wrote out my 2 offers I currently had. Repeating exactly what was on my Sheet 1: Interest Calc.
1.24% + $1,500
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0% + $1,000
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Car OTD Price
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$26,500
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$27,000
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Interest Paid
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$1,015.82
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0
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GAP
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$345
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$900
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Total Price
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$27,861
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$27,900
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I circled the GAP insurance in the 0% column and told him that is where I can see the only difference.
I was smiling and laughing this whole time. Giddy is a good descriptive word. This was the fun part for me. With all the leg work done I would go in knowing I was good even with the CU deal.
He gave me his lowest price for GAP, $349, taking the number sold in his numbers and not necessarily the value.
Me: You meant $345. right?
FO: No, $349. That is the lowest.
Me: Works for me.
He went over all the up sales. Which I had looked into and said decided were not for me. When we were walking out...
Me: How many people come in with spreadsheets?
FO: No one.
In total 2 ½ hours I drove home in my new car.
WAY TO LONG DEALERS. It was only not a waste of my time, because I brought SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
Wednesday, September 16, 2015
The Hardest Part
On every sheet of my spreadsheet I put a statement...
Every call I make saves another dollar.
I needed it.
I have never been one to naturally talk on the phone. Though I have had jobs that it was something I did regularly. The actual process of dialing inhibits me. Once on the phone I am great! But dialing?
My arms start to ache and everything is more important than calling… even sorting through receipts, scrubbing the toilet, and cleaning my closet.
Knowing myself I did a few things.
First, I started calling at the bottom. The last, and farthest away dealer from me.
Second, I called the first dealer on my list. This was the closest dealer to me.
Third, I called the second to last dealer.
… I worked my way to the middle.
This helped a lot.
When calling the 13 Dealers on my list I started to get exhausted after 8. But seeing those 5 dealers, with the beginning and end done, I couldn’t not call the middle!
I started calling at 10 AM and finished all my calling at 11:30 AM. It took me 90 minutes to call the 13 Dealers. It worked out to about 7 minutes each. This included the messages left, received, and the call backs.
By the third person I talked to I realized “Internet Sales Manager” was a useless request. I felt whichever Salesperson was available I was given to. I still asked because it was something to say.
Things Dealers did:
Every call I make saves another dollar.
I needed it.
I have never been one to naturally talk on the phone. Though I have had jobs that it was something I did regularly. The actual process of dialing inhibits me. Once on the phone I am great! But dialing?
My arms start to ache and everything is more important than calling… even sorting through receipts, scrubbing the toilet, and cleaning my closet.
Knowing myself I did a few things.
First, I started calling at the bottom. The last, and farthest away dealer from me.
Second, I called the first dealer on my list. This was the closest dealer to me.
Third, I called the second to last dealer.
… I worked my way to the middle.
This helped a lot.
When calling the 13 Dealers on my list I started to get exhausted after 8. But seeing those 5 dealers, with the beginning and end done, I couldn’t not call the middle!
I started calling at 10 AM and finished all my calling at 11:30 AM. It took me 90 minutes to call the 13 Dealers. It worked out to about 7 minutes each. This included the messages left, received, and the call backs.
By the third person I talked to I realized “Internet Sales Manager” was a useless request. I felt whichever Salesperson was available I was given to. I still asked because it was something to say.
Things Dealers did:
- Tried to talk me out of buying from them because they were “too far”.
- Wouldn’t give me a price quote unless I was physically at the dealer.
- Convince me to look at another car.
- Gave price quote over the phone when I asked for email.
- Said “okey dokey”.
- Never returned message after 3 calls.
- Willing to pay gas for me to come get it.
- “You have the same exact amount of Prius V Threes in stock for the last 2 weeks.”
- “If I wanted an experience I would go to Disneyland”
Monday, September 14, 2015
What Actually Happened
I used James Bragg’s car buying process that he lays out over on the Clark Howard blog he posted. This is my experience with it.
He noted that this was a 3 day process from months end. I choose to start 4 days out. Also because of the number of dealers I was contacting I wanted time to asses the deals in the negotiation round.
4 Days out: Morning called all dealers. Got proposals by email.
3 Days out: Morning contact dealers I didn’t have all the information from. Afternoon contact all dealers to start round of negotiation.
2 Days out: Morning decision time. Evening get car!
1 Day out: Deal with sick kid. (totally optional but it was what happened to me.)
Total phone time was 2 hours, 1 ½ hour the first day to start the process, and 30 min to clarify the first proposals.
Than I did everything by email.
Twice I needed moral and focus support. I called Husband and talked through what was in calls and emails. Once after all the calls were done. Second when I was about to start to contact dealers to tell them the my best deals. I was going to call, how Mr. Bragg recommends, but I decided I was going to email them all and be done with it.
I am a mom, and anyone out there with kids knows things come up. I am glad I was so smart to start early. On the third day I had for making final choice and taking delivery …
The Spawn woke up with a 101F temperature.
I finished filling my spreadsheet while cleaning out buckets of puke. I then sorted by the lowest response price and that was the end of it. That dealer had my car and I didn't care if I had no idea what color it was. I had a sick kid.
I called them and ask if I could come get it that night instead of the next day as I planned. Husband could stay home with the kid while I got my brand new car.
I waited until the next morning to email the other dealers. I didnt want to close options until I had car in hand. It would have been okay to do right away but sick kid. Did. Not. Care.
He noted that this was a 3 day process from months end. I choose to start 4 days out. Also because of the number of dealers I was contacting I wanted time to asses the deals in the negotiation round.
4 Days out: Morning called all dealers. Got proposals by email.
3 Days out: Morning contact dealers I didn’t have all the information from. Afternoon contact all dealers to start round of negotiation.
2 Days out: Morning decision time. Evening get car!
1 Day out: Deal with sick kid. (totally optional but it was what happened to me.)
Total phone time was 2 hours, 1 ½ hour the first day to start the process, and 30 min to clarify the first proposals.
Than I did everything by email.
Twice I needed moral and focus support. I called Husband and talked through what was in calls and emails. Once after all the calls were done. Second when I was about to start to contact dealers to tell them the my best deals. I was going to call, how Mr. Bragg recommends, but I decided I was going to email them all and be done with it.
I am a mom, and anyone out there with kids knows things come up. I am glad I was so smart to start early. On the third day I had for making final choice and taking delivery …
The Spawn woke up with a 101F temperature.
I finished filling my spreadsheet while cleaning out buckets of puke. I then sorted by the lowest response price and that was the end of it. That dealer had my car and I didn't care if I had no idea what color it was. I had a sick kid.
I called them and ask if I could come get it that night instead of the next day as I planned. Husband could stay home with the kid while I got my brand new car.
I waited until the next morning to email the other dealers. I didnt want to close options until I had car in hand. It would have been okay to do right away but sick kid. Did. Not. Care.
Friday, September 11, 2015
The Dealing with the Dealer Process
I used James Bragg’s car buying process that he lays out over on the Clark Howard blog he posted. This is my experience with it.
Again I made a new sheet. I created this two weeks before. I took Mr. Bragg’s process and guess what? Spreedsheet-ized it!
Sheet 5: Process
I would use this Sheet to focus myself before each call. This way I was sure each dealer had the same information to do their quote with. I also could note deviations from what I asked for.
Again I made a new sheet. I created this two weeks before. I took Mr. Bragg’s process and guess what? Spreedsheet-ized it!
Sheet 5: Process
Every call I make saves another dollar.
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First day
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Call internet sales managers
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I am looking for Toyota Prius V Three, with no accessories. Any color will do except Blizzard Pearl (White).
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I am ready to buy by month-end, I am contacting limited number of dealers to get price proposals and I would like to get one from you.
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I will need both the price for the and an itemized out-the-door price by email by 11:00 AM tomorrow. I do not have a current Prius. I live in Orange County so you can calculate taxes accordingly.
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I will call/contact all responders the next afternoon to tell you the best out-the-door price I received and give you one shot to beat it.
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Second day
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Morning Call/contact those you have not heard from by 11am. Call and ask for missing information.
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Afternoon Call/Contact everyone that afternoon with best OTD.
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The best out-the-door price I received was $______. I am calling to give you one shot to beat it.
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Winner to confirm all numbers via email to _______ (no surprises)
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There will not be a third round.
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Make appt to sign papers and pick up the car.
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Third day
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Call/Contact other dealers to thank them for participating.
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I would use this Sheet to focus myself before each call. This way I was sure each dealer had the same information to do their quote with. I also could note deviations from what I asked for.
Wednesday, September 9, 2015
The Math it Hurts so Good
The math didn’t click until I was talking to Dealers about getting proposals. This was the day before I was planning to buy. I was told 3 things in those conversations:
“Just add $500” “GAP is offered at $900, but I have a 25% off” “Dont worry about GAP only the car price.”
That’s IT!
This helped me fill in two of my spreadsheets.
First, when I was getting the proposals, some dealers give me the $1500 off price and others would give me both. I could use the “Just add $500” to each of the deal columns to get the price.
In my “Sheet 4: Call Dealers” I would have completed columns of:
OTD $1500
OTD 0% + $1500
I now had a list of my proposals from each of the Dealers they would give me with no negotiation.
Second, I could fill in my “Sheet 1: Interest Calc” spreadsheet with 2 columns:
Deal 1: 1.49% + $1500
Deal 2: 0% + $1000
You can see the “Car Price” changes the exact amount if the Cashback by $500. The interest paid is accounted for. And my currently quoted GAP was also accounted for.
NOW with the “winning” Dealer, I could compare ONLY the financial deals with confidence. There was no noise of deal confusion, car price, or anything else.
This Dealer reminded me that even GAP insurance is negotiable! Thank you!
Having this, and fully understanding where all the numbers came from, made it exciting to get to the dealer with my offers.
I could SEE that there was only a $39 difference between the Financial deals. And as it stood the 0% was NOT the best offer I had.
Don’t walk in blind when you can see clearly.
“Just add $500” “GAP is offered at $900, but I have a 25% off” “Dont worry about GAP only the car price.”
That’s IT!
This helped me fill in two of my spreadsheets.
First, when I was getting the proposals, some dealers give me the $1500 off price and others would give me both. I could use the “Just add $500” to each of the deal columns to get the price.
In my “Sheet 4: Call Dealers” I would have completed columns of:
OTD $1500
OTD 0% + $1500
I now had a list of my proposals from each of the Dealers they would give me with no negotiation.
Second, I could fill in my “Sheet 1: Interest Calc” spreadsheet with 2 columns:
Deal 1: 1.49% + $1500
Deal 2: 0% + $1000
1.24% + $1,500
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0% + $1,000
| |
Car OTD Price
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$26,500
|
$27,000
|
Interest Paid
|
$1,015.82
|
0
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GAP
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$345
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$900
|
Total Price
|
$27,861
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$27,900
|
You can see the “Car Price” changes the exact amount if the Cashback by $500. The interest paid is accounted for. And my currently quoted GAP was also accounted for.
NOW with the “winning” Dealer, I could compare ONLY the financial deals with confidence. There was no noise of deal confusion, car price, or anything else.
This Dealer reminded me that even GAP insurance is negotiable! Thank you!
Having this, and fully understanding where all the numbers came from, made it exciting to get to the dealer with my offers.
I could SEE that there was only a $39 difference between the Financial deals. And as it stood the 0% was NOT the best offer I had.
Don’t walk in blind when you can see clearly.
Monday, September 7, 2015
Is it not Three Offers
Dealing with the manufacturing offers confused me. I have to admit I was not strong on the financials in comparing deals. I knew what I wanted but I was having trouble grasping exactly how I wanted to lay it out in a spreadsheet.
Toyota Financial had two deals going on. A cash back offer of $1500 if I pay cash/check. Or a finance offer of 0% with $1000 cash back.
The loan deal is “available to eligible customers”. I know I’m eligible, not just from the Credit Union offer, but also from my Credit Score on Credit Karma. No surprises.
At this point I put all this information on Sheet 1: Interest Calc. But it was not useful on a way I could use to negotiate with comfortably.
I left it as is.
Toyota Financial had two deals going on. A cash back offer of $1500 if I pay cash/check. Or a finance offer of 0% with $1000 cash back.
The loan deal is “available to eligible customers”. I know I’m eligible, not just from the Credit Union offer, but also from my Credit Score on Credit Karma. No surprises.
At this point I put all this information on Sheet 1: Interest Calc. But it was not useful on a way I could use to negotiate with comfortably.
I left it as is.
Friday, September 4, 2015
Offers
My Credit Union was sending me pre-approved auto loan notices for a long time. I only actively pay attention last year when I thought I was going to buy a 2014.
The Credit Union pre-approval showed up every 3-4 months. I watched as the rate dropped. For about the last year it was 1.79%.
I went into my CU branch in May to see how the process worked. Since I was already pre-approved there would be no hard inquiry on my credit. They would issue me a blank check for the dealer and I would fill it out there. That’s it.
It was surprisingly simple process.
My husband and I talked about it. I came to the conclusion that I would be ready to buy in September. That was the month of my 40th birthday and I knew some extra money would be in by then.
Then the CU sent me an offer I just couldn’t refuse. The new Credit Union pre-approval showed up. It was for 1.49%. I know the difference was only 0.2%, but I needed something to push me over to buying a new car.
This was a little over two weeks before the end of the month. The timing worked out perfectly.
I went into the CU Branch to talk with another loan officer. We talked again about how it worked. I asked questions and he cut me a blank check.
The CU officer also went over the GAP and bumper-to-bumper warranty. Don’t chagrin information you think you don't need. Write it down. I used it!
The warranty was from the CU Third Party and not the Manufacturer. The numbers looked okay. I was not really excited about it. But I took the information with me.
They were doing a special offer on GAP Insurance for $345. I didn't know if that was good or bad, but in dealing with the Credit Union over the years I knew they would not gouge me. This gave me a talking point at the dealer.
Would I go with another deal? Of course!
If the dealer would beat the math then I had no problem going with someone other than the CU. But I knew that I had a great deal in hand and I only needed to focus on car price in negotiating with the dealer.
This was my true power.
The Credit Union pre-approval showed up every 3-4 months. I watched as the rate dropped. For about the last year it was 1.79%.
I went into my CU branch in May to see how the process worked. Since I was already pre-approved there would be no hard inquiry on my credit. They would issue me a blank check for the dealer and I would fill it out there. That’s it.
It was surprisingly simple process.
My husband and I talked about it. I came to the conclusion that I would be ready to buy in September. That was the month of my 40th birthday and I knew some extra money would be in by then.
Then the CU sent me an offer I just couldn’t refuse. The new Credit Union pre-approval showed up. It was for 1.49%. I know the difference was only 0.2%, but I needed something to push me over to buying a new car.
This was a little over two weeks before the end of the month. The timing worked out perfectly.
I went into the CU Branch to talk with another loan officer. We talked again about how it worked. I asked questions and he cut me a blank check.
The CU officer also went over the GAP and bumper-to-bumper warranty. Don’t chagrin information you think you don't need. Write it down. I used it!
The warranty was from the CU Third Party and not the Manufacturer. The numbers looked okay. I was not really excited about it. But I took the information with me.
They were doing a special offer on GAP Insurance for $345. I didn't know if that was good or bad, but in dealing with the Credit Union over the years I knew they would not gouge me. This gave me a talking point at the dealer.
Would I go with another deal? Of course!
If the dealer would beat the math then I had no problem going with someone other than the CU. But I knew that I had a great deal in hand and I only needed to focus on car price in negotiating with the dealer.
This was my true power.
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Wednesday, September 2, 2015
Willing to Drive Where?
I used James Bragg’s car buying process that he lays out over on the Clark Howard blog he posted. This is my experience with it.
I created this two weeks before.
I live in Southern California. There are a lot of dealers here. I knew the price I wanted and was willing to drive to get it.
I went straight to the Toyota.com Find a Dealer page.
Sheet 3: All Dealers
I made a line item for each dealer. Listing their Link to their inventory of Prius Threes in stock and the actual number in stock. I made a column of the lowest price on the site posted. Also grabbed the Address and Sales Phone number. My headers ended up looking like this:
Bold headers came from information from the car dealer sites.
The Toyota.com site listed dealers closest to you to farthest to you in a circle. I added “Relative Distance” to give me an idea how far I would drive to said dealer. Dealer that was a 21 was WAY farther then a 4.
Using Mapquest I calculated that the furthest dealer I had listed was about $15 in gas. So the deal would have to be $30 or better to get me to drive there and drag someone along with me to pick up my new car.
The City helped me refer to the dealers in my head.
You can see I listed 2 different dealer stock dates. I had the links set up already, it was easy to go through again the weekend before buying that James Bragg recommends.
This was no joke in a time commitment. I think I spent 3 hours plus looking at dealer sites, collecting information, and looking at cars.
This was my car shopping time.
There was 40 closest dealers listed on the Toyota.com site. Of those there were 32 dealers that had cars that met my criteria. For a total of 166 cars I was willing to consider to buy.
I next sorted the list by “Threes in stock”. The top 13 dealers had 6 or more cars available. Those 13 dealer are the ones I chose to contact.
From Sheet 3 I copied over just the 13 dealers I was going to call. Creating:
Sheet 4: Call Dealers
I dont know if limiting to just the most cars in stock was a good choice. But it was the arbitrary way I chose to narrow down dealers to a more reasonable list. Even crazy me has limits.
A week before I was planning to buy I updated Sheet 4: Call Dealers in my spreadsheet with the current stock. This is why I ended up with 2 columns of in stock. Wanted to see what actually changed and keep with Mr. Bragg’s process as much as I could.
There was 112 cars on that list and one of them was going to be mine. At this point I fantasized about my car sitting in a car lot waiting to be born into my life.
Singing was involved.
I created this two weeks before.
I live in Southern California. There are a lot of dealers here. I knew the price I wanted and was willing to drive to get it.
I went straight to the Toyota.com Find a Dealer page.
Sheet 3: All Dealers
I made a line item for each dealer. Listing their Link to their inventory of Prius Threes in stock and the actual number in stock. I made a column of the lowest price on the site posted. Also grabbed the Address and Sales Phone number. My headers ended up looking like this:
Relative Distance
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City
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Link
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Threes in stock as of 7/18
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Threes in stock as of 7/26
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Diff in Wk
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Site Price posted Lowest
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Internet Sales manager
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address
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phone
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email
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Every call I make saves another dollar.
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Bold headers came from information from the car dealer sites.
The Toyota.com site listed dealers closest to you to farthest to you in a circle. I added “Relative Distance” to give me an idea how far I would drive to said dealer. Dealer that was a 21 was WAY farther then a 4.
Using Mapquest I calculated that the furthest dealer I had listed was about $15 in gas. So the deal would have to be $30 or better to get me to drive there and drag someone along with me to pick up my new car.
The City helped me refer to the dealers in my head.
You can see I listed 2 different dealer stock dates. I had the links set up already, it was easy to go through again the weekend before buying that James Bragg recommends.
This was no joke in a time commitment. I think I spent 3 hours plus looking at dealer sites, collecting information, and looking at cars.
This was my car shopping time.
There was 40 closest dealers listed on the Toyota.com site. Of those there were 32 dealers that had cars that met my criteria. For a total of 166 cars I was willing to consider to buy.
I next sorted the list by “Threes in stock”. The top 13 dealers had 6 or more cars available. Those 13 dealer are the ones I chose to contact.
From Sheet 3 I copied over just the 13 dealers I was going to call. Creating:
Sheet 4: Call Dealers
I dont know if limiting to just the most cars in stock was a good choice. But it was the arbitrary way I chose to narrow down dealers to a more reasonable list. Even crazy me has limits.
A week before I was planning to buy I updated Sheet 4: Call Dealers in my spreadsheet with the current stock. This is why I ended up with 2 columns of in stock. Wanted to see what actually changed and keep with Mr. Bragg’s process as much as I could.
There was 112 cars on that list and one of them was going to be mine. At this point I fantasized about my car sitting in a car lot waiting to be born into my life.
Singing was involved.
Monday, August 31, 2015
What's the Deal?
I used James Bragg’s car buying process that he lays out over on the Clark Howard blog he posted. This is my experience with it.
I created this two weeks before.
Sheet 2: Car Want
I placed the car I wanted right at the top. This was what I would tell every dealer so they would be working with the same information.
I didn’t want White. Then I found out there was a premium for the “Pearl” paint. And heck no.
I went to Toyota, Edmunds.com, KBB, and NADA to figure out a starting point for the car. Then I reread James Bragg’s car buying process and made a big note:
KBB gave me the best itemized list for an Out-the-door price. I put it in my spreadsheet and was again happy to have it as a guide of types of things to expect.
My plan was to not spend more than $27,700 out-the-door for my new car. It worked within our budget and it was less than all the sites said. Also, it was not that far off from what I have been quoted in the past. Never once in this process did I tell anyone this price.
This was a simple sheet of information to refer too.
I created this two weeks before.
Sheet 2: Car Want
I placed the car I wanted right at the top. This was what I would tell every dealer so they would be working with the same information.
Toyota Prius V Three
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Not BLIZZARD PEARL
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No Accessories
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I didn’t want White. Then I found out there was a premium for the “Pearl” paint. And heck no.
I went to Toyota, Edmunds.com, KBB, and NADA to figure out a starting point for the car. Then I reread James Bragg’s car buying process and made a big note:
“James Bragg said to ignore all this.”But I had it already and it was nice to refer to while I was getting proposals.
KBB gave me the best itemized list for an Out-the-door price. I put it in my spreadsheet and was again happy to have it as a guide of types of things to expect.
My plan was to not spend more than $27,700 out-the-door for my new car. It worked within our budget and it was less than all the sites said. Also, it was not that far off from what I have been quoted in the past. Never once in this process did I tell anyone this price.
This was a simple sheet of information to refer too.
Friday, August 28, 2015
The Fun Part
Spreadsheet time!
Now it was time to build my ammo for buying this car. I created this months before. Assessing how much car I wanted and could afford.
Sheet 1: Interest Calc
There are a lot of auto loan calculators out there. But this is about my familiarity of the system. And who wants to be pulling up a site with a bunch of ads while talking to the Financial person at a dealer?
I made my own calculator in Google Docs that I could access on my phone:
There are a lot of ways to calculate these numbers, I used a teaching lesson. I compared it to the Auto Loan Calculators on other sites. I felt comfortable with the numbers it was giving me.
Next to it I had to make a calculation for 0% interest: (Since dividing by zero is bad.)
Do this for yourself.
It seems so simple but every part you can put yourself on a familiar footing helps in the process. I had my sheet to look at with numbers in a format I was familiar with, and in dealing with Finance, it helped.
Now it was time to build my ammo for buying this car. I created this months before. Assessing how much car I wanted and could afford.
Sheet 1: Interest Calc
There are a lot of auto loan calculators out there. But this is about my familiarity of the system. And who wants to be pulling up a site with a bunch of ads while talking to the Financial person at a dealer?
I made my own calculator in Google Docs that I could access on my phone:
Total Price
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$27,700.00
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Int rate
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1.49%
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# of payments
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60
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Monthly Payment
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$479.36
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Total paid on Loan
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$28,761.82
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Interest paid
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$1,061.82
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There are a lot of ways to calculate these numbers, I used a teaching lesson. I compared it to the Auto Loan Calculators on other sites. I felt comfortable with the numbers it was giving me.
Next to it I had to make a calculation for 0% interest: (Since dividing by zero is bad.)
Total Price
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$27,000.00
|
Int rate
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0%
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# of payments
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60
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Monthly Payment
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$450.00
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Total paid on Loan
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$27,000.00
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Interest paid
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$0.00
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Do this for yourself.
It seems so simple but every part you can put yourself on a familiar footing helps in the process. I had my sheet to look at with numbers in a format I was familiar with, and in dealing with Finance, it helped.
Wednesday, August 26, 2015
Trimmings
The 2015 Toyota Prius was decided on. I contemplated all the Trim levels, Two, Three, Four, and Five. (It is very odd that the first/lowest Trim model is Two. I’m sure there is a reason, but I’m not curious enough to find out.)
Why would cheap me buy up?
If everything goes right I will have this car for 10 plus years. I don't care about the navigation system. It will be nice as a back up, but Waze is so much better. But the more adjustable driver seat, cruise control, and the larger screen in the front, that I will spend the money on.
Also, I read a lot about the different trim models. There were quite a few reviews that viewed the cost for what you get between the Two and Three a good choice. This was not necessarily the case for the Three and upgrading to the Four. Hot pleather seats? No thank you.
In looking at dealer inventory the bulk of the Prius V’s being sold was Threes and Fours. There were actually quite a few dealers that had more Threes than the leather interior Fours.
When dealing with the dealers I would be dealing with something they had in stock and planned on moving a lot of them.
My choice is Toyota Prius V Three.
Why would cheap me buy up?
If everything goes right I will have this car for 10 plus years. I don't care about the navigation system. It will be nice as a back up, but Waze is so much better. But the more adjustable driver seat, cruise control, and the larger screen in the front, that I will spend the money on.
Also, I read a lot about the different trim models. There were quite a few reviews that viewed the cost for what you get between the Two and Three a good choice. This was not necessarily the case for the Three and upgrading to the Four. Hot pleather seats? No thank you.
In looking at dealer inventory the bulk of the Prius V’s being sold was Threes and Fours. There were actually quite a few dealers that had more Threes than the leather interior Fours.
When dealing with the dealers I would be dealing with something they had in stock and planned on moving a lot of them.
My choice is Toyota Prius V Three.
Monday, August 24, 2015
Making the Miles of Money Work
Beware … Math ahead...
On my WORST average week I drive 110 miles 3 times and 55 miles twice. And this driving pattern doesn’t look like it will be changing much in the years to come.
110 miles x3 + 55 miles x2 = 440 miles/wk
for 52 wks = 22,880 miles /yr
or if I look at just the school year 39 wks = 17,160 miles/yr
I round this down to 17,000 miles/yr and assumed $4/gallon for gas.
If I bought a replacement car that got 24 miles/gal to drive:
17, 000 miles/yr / 24 miles/gal x $4/gal = $2,833 /yr
If I bought a car the got 40 miles/gal to drive:
17, 000 miles/yr / 40 miles/gal x $4/gal = $1,700 /yr
Difference:
$2,833 /yr - $1,700 /yr = $1,133 /yr
Also,
$1,133 /yr / 39 wks * 3.5wks/month = $102/month saved
Looking at the 60 month loan savings:
$1,133 /yr x 5 years = $5,665
If I keep this car for 10 years:
$1,133 /yr x 10 years = $11,133
I know this is a lot more driving them most, and it is focused on the school year. But this is my world right now.
If we were planning to buy a $20,000 car I can use the gas savings to actually buy the car I have wanted for years.
BUT wait theres more…
I made this conclusion in 2014, a year ago. Why did I not buy then?
Safety.
Consumer Reports pointed out that it could not recommend the Prius V because the IIHS, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, rated it poor. Link to the 2014.
What can be seen cannot be unseen.
You see those pictures?
I couldn’t do that to myself. Steering wheel into the chest. And that moving front wheel into my legs?! If I wanted an unsafe car I would just keep the one I was driving.
Luckily Toyota had already announced that they were redesigning the front of the Prius V to meet the new standards and was releasing it for 2015!
Not only did Toyota fix the issues in the 2015, they improved it, and the Prius V became a 2015 Top Safety pick from the IIHS. Link to the 2015.
That was it. A 2015 Toyota Prius v will be my second car.
All of this was a 6 year process remember. Critical thinking about what I wanted and needed in a car.
On my WORST average week I drive 110 miles 3 times and 55 miles twice. And this driving pattern doesn’t look like it will be changing much in the years to come.
110 miles x3 + 55 miles x2 = 440 miles/wk
for 52 wks = 22,880 miles /yr
or if I look at just the school year 39 wks = 17,160 miles/yr
I round this down to 17,000 miles/yr and assumed $4/gallon for gas.
If I bought a replacement car that got 24 miles/gal to drive:
17, 000 miles/yr / 24 miles/gal x $4/gal = $2,833 /yr
If I bought a car the got 40 miles/gal to drive:
17, 000 miles/yr / 40 miles/gal x $4/gal = $1,700 /yr
Difference:
$2,833 /yr - $1,700 /yr = $1,133 /yr
Also,
$1,133 /yr / 39 wks * 3.5wks/month = $102/month saved
Looking at the 60 month loan savings:
$1,133 /yr x 5 years = $5,665
If I keep this car for 10 years:
$1,133 /yr x 10 years = $11,133
I know this is a lot more driving them most, and it is focused on the school year. But this is my world right now.
If we were planning to buy a $20,000 car I can use the gas savings to actually buy the car I have wanted for years.
BUT wait theres more…
I made this conclusion in 2014, a year ago. Why did I not buy then?
Safety.
Consumer Reports pointed out that it could not recommend the Prius V because the IIHS, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, rated it poor. Link to the 2014.
What can be seen cannot be unseen.
You see those pictures?
I couldn’t do that to myself. Steering wheel into the chest. And that moving front wheel into my legs?! If I wanted an unsafe car I would just keep the one I was driving.
Luckily Toyota had already announced that they were redesigning the front of the Prius V to meet the new standards and was releasing it for 2015!
Not only did Toyota fix the issues in the 2015, they improved it, and the Prius V became a 2015 Top Safety pick from the IIHS. Link to the 2015.
That was it. A 2015 Toyota Prius v will be my second car.
All of this was a 6 year process remember. Critical thinking about what I wanted and needed in a car.
Friday, August 21, 2015
Choosing the Second
I have been watching the Prius line since it was released in 2001. I would have never bought it then. But over time that changed.
I TRIED to be open.
I looked at a lot of cars in the last 6 years. After 11, 12, ...17 years I was expecting my Corolla to die on the side of the road at some point.
As you can see in my description of my Corolla I really do look at cars as a mode of transportation. I was looking to replace it with a little bit more room in the back.
I changed my mind a dozen times between brands and models.
The Prius V came out in 2012. IT WAS PERFECT!!
But the price... (I am so price sensitive I pull out a calculator at the fast food place to really see if those “Meal Deals” are actually deals.)
I didn’t see the need to spend more than $20,000 on a car. Maybe I could afford more but ...why?
Every feature car sellers put in front of me was another thing to break over time. In 10 years would that Tech be relevant? I was not excited about anything except the safety features and fuel mileage changes.
Then I looked at how much I drive. Household situation change and the Math decided me.
I TRIED to be open.
I looked at a lot of cars in the last 6 years. After 11, 12, ...17 years I was expecting my Corolla to die on the side of the road at some point.
As you can see in my description of my Corolla I really do look at cars as a mode of transportation. I was looking to replace it with a little bit more room in the back.
I changed my mind a dozen times between brands and models.
The Prius V came out in 2012. IT WAS PERFECT!!
I didn’t see the need to spend more than $20,000 on a car. Maybe I could afford more but ...why?
Every feature car sellers put in front of me was another thing to break over time. In 10 years would that Tech be relevant? I was not excited about anything except the safety features and fuel mileage changes.
Then I looked at how much I drive. Household situation change and the Math decided me.
Wednesday, August 19, 2015
I still Point Out My $1000 Floor Mats
Now that I knew I was going to buy a 1998 Toyota Corolla, my dad and I started watching newspaper ads.
At the time I had credit, but no income. My dad and I pre-qualified at my credit union. If you are not a member of a Credit Union, find one here. I am actually a member of two different ones now.
All those Corollas on sale in the Newspapers were going for $13,999. So that was the goal.
Newspapers ads by law have to print the VIN. If they tell you “We sold that already” you can ask to see the bill of sale.
My father and I didn't care. Even if the dealer told us it was not there... we walked the car lots and matched the VINs.
My dad and my mother did this for her car the year before, for a 1997 Toyota Previa (they own it still btw). Nothing like having an ad for a car in hand and being told it was “sold”, then finding it and asking why they lied.
I was ready for this process when buying my car.
The weekend paper actually had TWO for $12,999! $1000 cheaper then I planed on. I didn't care what color, I wanted one of those.
We went to the Dealer and surprise! No games?!! He said they had both in stock?!!
Dealer: What color would you want?
Me: Lavender!
Dealer: OooooOOOookay. Let’s see. Sorry. No lavender. Any other color?
Me: Fine. Whatever one is on top of the list.
Dealer: Black?
Me: Sure.
(My husband is very grateful that this happened btw.)
We did the paper work. You know that takes hours, from the credit checks, approvals, dot matrix printing things up etc. Toyota Financial would beat the Credit Union offer. Great! We will go with that.
We had a problem.
The black car on top was not one of the $12,999 cars. We did all this paperwork and NOT for the right car. And in the two hours BOTH were bought.
I stared at him. I could tell that he was not playing at a game. I knew his daughter from school and in my heart he was really hoping to help me buy my first car.
He figured out that the difference was the black car DID NOT have floor mats included. It was different and that was enough to make it not qualify for the $12,999.
I pulled out my folder with my last 5 weeks of Newspaper clippings. Showed him the $13,999 was the price that I wanted to buy this car at. It was a regular occurring sale. And I was willing to wait until it happened.
He got $13,999 approved. And I bought my first car.
Now you would think it would end there.
But no.
I asked for the floor mats to be included.
At the time I had credit, but no income. My dad and I pre-qualified at my credit union. If you are not a member of a Credit Union, find one here. I am actually a member of two different ones now.
All those Corollas on sale in the Newspapers were going for $13,999. So that was the goal.
Newspapers ads by law have to print the VIN. If they tell you “We sold that already” you can ask to see the bill of sale.
My father and I didn't care. Even if the dealer told us it was not there... we walked the car lots and matched the VINs.
My dad and my mother did this for her car the year before, for a 1997 Toyota Previa (they own it still btw). Nothing like having an ad for a car in hand and being told it was “sold”, then finding it and asking why they lied.
I was ready for this process when buying my car.
The weekend paper actually had TWO for $12,999! $1000 cheaper then I planed on. I didn't care what color, I wanted one of those.
We went to the Dealer and surprise! No games?!! He said they had both in stock?!!
Dealer: What color would you want?
Me: Lavender!
Dealer: OooooOOOookay. Let’s see. Sorry. No lavender. Any other color?
Me: Fine. Whatever one is on top of the list.
Dealer: Black?
Me: Sure.
(My husband is very grateful that this happened btw.)
We did the paper work. You know that takes hours, from the credit checks, approvals, dot matrix printing things up etc. Toyota Financial would beat the Credit Union offer. Great! We will go with that.
We had a problem.
The black car on top was not one of the $12,999 cars. We did all this paperwork and NOT for the right car. And in the two hours BOTH were bought.
I stared at him. I could tell that he was not playing at a game. I knew his daughter from school and in my heart he was really hoping to help me buy my first car.
He figured out that the difference was the black car DID NOT have floor mats included. It was different and that was enough to make it not qualify for the $12,999.
I pulled out my folder with my last 5 weeks of Newspaper clippings. Showed him the $13,999 was the price that I wanted to buy this car at. It was a regular occurring sale. And I was willing to wait until it happened.
He got $13,999 approved. And I bought my first car.
Now you would think it would end there.
But no.
I asked for the floor mats to be included.
Monday, August 17, 2015
What color: Lavender?
I rode the bus.
I rode the bus everyday to college. Now in some areas that is not shocking but in Southern California that is not a common occurrence. In Orange County, the county of urban sprawl it is almost impossible. My college campus was called a “commuter school” most people didn't live on campus.
I was really lucky. There was a single bus line that would go from two blocks from my parents house and arrived about two blocks from the campus.
I did that for 5 years getting my Engineering Degree and Minor.
My dad early on told me he would put down a car deposit, but I would have to pay all the rest, insurance, gas, and payments. At the time I could make that choice, I put it off until it was a graduation gift.
Two years before my graduation I started looking at cars. Reading Consumer Reports in the library. Listening to what people liked and didn't like about their cars. I really listened to what broke first.
A big one that I remember is no electric windows. Nope. Not on my car. I just would not fix it. Hand crank for me.
Four months before I graduated I was hosting a weekend long conference on campus. As President I would have a lot of places to go to around town. I took that as an opportunity to rent a Corolla and take it for a real test drive. (Just don't tell the rental agency that I scuffed up a corner on a pole coming out of a parking garage.) The Corolla was everything I needed.
It was perfect. I wanted one in Lavender.
I rode the bus everyday to college. Now in some areas that is not shocking but in Southern California that is not a common occurrence. In Orange County, the county of urban sprawl it is almost impossible. My college campus was called a “commuter school” most people didn't live on campus.
I was really lucky. There was a single bus line that would go from two blocks from my parents house and arrived about two blocks from the campus.
I did that for 5 years getting my Engineering Degree and Minor.
My dad early on told me he would put down a car deposit, but I would have to pay all the rest, insurance, gas, and payments. At the time I could make that choice, I put it off until it was a graduation gift.
Two years before my graduation I started looking at cars. Reading Consumer Reports in the library. Listening to what people liked and didn't like about their cars. I really listened to what broke first.
A big one that I remember is no electric windows. Nope. Not on my car. I just would not fix it. Hand crank for me.
Four months before I graduated I was hosting a weekend long conference on campus. As President I would have a lot of places to go to around town. I took that as an opportunity to rent a Corolla and take it for a real test drive. (Just don't tell the rental agency that I scuffed up a corner on a pole coming out of a parking garage.) The Corolla was everything I needed.
It was perfect. I wanted one in Lavender.
Friday, August 14, 2015
It runs!
I have been shopping for a new car for the last 6 years. I WANTed to replace my 1998 Toyota Corolla. When I bought it Past Me told Future Me would keep it for as long as it drove or 20 years, whichever came first. Crazy? Me? YES!
Any day it was going to kaput on the side of the 5 Freeway.
ANY DAY NOW...
My 1998 Toyota Corolla is still getting 24/26 miles per gallon. It is still in pretty good shape. No body work is needed, but the paint is totally shot. Saying it is black is generous. At the tire place I told them the car is “Blackish” years ago. It says "blackish" right there on the paper work.
Air conditioning works great. I replaced the inside door panel after replacing the outside back-right-side-door handle that broke. The key pins to start the car sticks and you have to commune with it just right to turn it on. I stopped using the radio because it would suddenly GET LOUD, and I just never cared about fixing it.
Years ago I pulled out a light bulb on the dash. It was blinking because the Airbag was not likely to deploy. It was 10 years old at the time. There was no way I was expecting them to still work.
It passes the California smog check, at least it did a year ago. I just replaced the starter last year. It has a really slow leak at the top of the engine block. Oil needs to be watched and added as needed.
Oh, did I mention the duct tape? The windshield wiper fluid container has duct tape on it to keep the fluid from evaporating out from the giant hole on the top. It happened because of opening and closing to check the oil. But the windshield wiper fluid still squirts out!
It all works. Just needs general maintenance. aka. lots of babying the quarks.
NEEDing a new car changed with The Spawn. Why did I NEED to replace? Safety.
When I bought the Corolla, airbags were just going in, side reinforced doors were not yet required, and LATCH was not fully implemented, etc. keeping the Corolla was being “penny wise and pound foolish”.
I should have replaced it as soon as she was born, but that was not something as a household we could fiscally do. Time has changed that a little bit. Enough to make carrying a car payment again a more flexible idea.
Any day it was going to kaput on the side of the 5 Freeway.
ANY DAY NOW...
My 1998 Toyota Corolla is still getting 24/26 miles per gallon. It is still in pretty good shape. No body work is needed, but the paint is totally shot. Saying it is black is generous. At the tire place I told them the car is “Blackish” years ago. It says "blackish" right there on the paper work.
Air conditioning works great. I replaced the inside door panel after replacing the outside back-right-side-door handle that broke. The key pins to start the car sticks and you have to commune with it just right to turn it on. I stopped using the radio because it would suddenly GET LOUD, and I just never cared about fixing it.
Years ago I pulled out a light bulb on the dash. It was blinking because the Airbag was not likely to deploy. It was 10 years old at the time. There was no way I was expecting them to still work.
It passes the California smog check, at least it did a year ago. I just replaced the starter last year. It has a really slow leak at the top of the engine block. Oil needs to be watched and added as needed.
Oh, did I mention the duct tape? The windshield wiper fluid container has duct tape on it to keep the fluid from evaporating out from the giant hole on the top. It happened because of opening and closing to check the oil. But the windshield wiper fluid still squirts out!
It all works. Just needs general maintenance. aka. lots of babying the quarks.
NEEDing a new car changed with The Spawn. Why did I NEED to replace? Safety.
When I bought the Corolla, airbags were just going in, side reinforced doors were not yet required, and LATCH was not fully implemented, etc. keeping the Corolla was being “penny wise and pound foolish”.
I should have replaced it as soon as she was born, but that was not something as a household we could fiscally do. Time has changed that a little bit. Enough to make carrying a car payment again a more flexible idea.
Thursday, August 6, 2015
The Second One
I bought a new car. My second car ever. New car is a 2015 Toyota Prius V which is to replace my very first car a 1998 Toyota Corolla.
I used James Bragg’s car buying process that he lays out over on the Clark Howard blog he posted here.
I have this nervous energy and I wanted to share my car buying process with you. Here I am on my Warcraft blog talking about car buying. The Spawn ended up sick for three days so I used that time to type this up.
I am doing this because I know you are all capable of doing this process. I have seen the spreadsheets you have made and/or used to game.
You are goal oriented whether that is downing a boss or collecting all the pets in game.
You might go into LFR blind now, but when you go to really raid you will at least watch a YouTube video.
I don’t understand why anyone today would walk into a dealer's home turf and let them run the show. That is raiding blind.
I will tell you how Mr. Bragg’s process went for me. But I have some story time with Hydra to do first.
I used James Bragg’s car buying process that he lays out over on the Clark Howard blog he posted here.
I have this nervous energy and I wanted to share my car buying process with you. Here I am on my Warcraft blog talking about car buying. The Spawn ended up sick for three days so I used that time to type this up.
I am doing this because I know you are all capable of doing this process. I have seen the spreadsheets you have made and/or used to game.
You are goal oriented whether that is downing a boss or collecting all the pets in game.
You might go into LFR blind now, but when you go to really raid you will at least watch a YouTube video.
I don’t understand why anyone today would walk into a dealer's home turf and let them run the show. That is raiding blind.
I will tell you how Mr. Bragg’s process went for me. But I have some story time with Hydra to do first.
Thursday, March 5, 2015
Remember Your Own Wonder
Driving to School this morning...
/Gasp of Wonder
The Spawn: MOM I HAVE HAIR!
Me: You do?! (I have no idea either ... is she talking about her head?)
...
Me: Where is this newly discovered hair? (evidently she needs prompting)
The Spawn: On my arm!
Me: Really? (Thinking about all my girlfriends life long struggle with their "extra" hair)
The Spawn: Yea. I can see it with the sun! There are all these tiny hairs all over my arm. Baby hair!
/Gasp of Wonder
The Spawn: MOM I HAVE HAIR!
Me: You do?! (I have no idea either ... is she talking about her head?)
...
Me: Where is this newly discovered hair? (evidently she needs prompting)
The Spawn: On my arm!
Me: Really? (Thinking about all my girlfriends life long struggle with their "extra" hair)
The Spawn: Yea. I can see it with the sun! There are all these tiny hairs all over my arm. Baby hair!
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